Is it possible to use 11 after the upgrade to 12?

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I've tested demo version, but it's not supporting X-sheet still, so I can not open almost of previous files.
Tvp 12 is just shutting off..
and I'm having worry about scripts files about export that I can't tested it from Demo version.
It will mal-fuctioning with folder layer, I guess.

so I want to use both of them for a while, before the 12 supports the x-sheet...

Is it possible to use 11 after the upgrade to 12?

[D.T. Nethery]

Is it possible to use 11 after the upgrade to 12?

You can retain your TVPaint 11 on your computer alongside of TVPaint 12. Multiple versions of TVPaint can live together on the same computer , you just can't run them simultaneously on one license. Use one or the other as needed. (I found this out when I was teaching animation and some of my online students had old version 10.5.7 (even a few who had version 9.5!) after the update to TVPaint 11 , but I was able to keep my copies of 9.5 and 10.5.7 running on my computer so I could provide technical support to students who held on to those older versions and did not upgrade to 11.) On newer versions of Mac OS 9.5 and 10.5.7 won't run at all, so I don't have those anymore , but it's not really necessary. However, at this time I have version 11.5 , 11.7, and 12 all installed on my computer.

Up until now TVPaint files have always been backwards compatible with older versions , so a file created in TVPaint 11 could be opened in TVPaint 10 or TVPaint 9 , but for certain features that are only available in 11 (such as CTG layers) those newer features would not be functional in the older versions of TVPaint. At one point I believe it was mentioned that the new Layer Folders structure in TVPaint 12 will likely mean that files created in TVPaint 12 or modified in TVPaint 12 will NOT be backwards compatible with older versions of TVPaint. Certainly Layer Folders in TVPaint 12 will not be present if you tried to open the file in an older version of TVPaint. I'll run some tests on this. Up to now I've only been using TVPaint 12 for beta testing , but for real work I've continued to use TVPaint 11.7.3 because other people I collaborate with use TVPaint 11.7 , so I did not want to risk having any issues when sharing production scenes. I'll try creating a new file in TVPaint 12 and then try opening it in TVPaint 11 to see if it works. (of course, we know that any file containing the new Layer Folders or with camera moves created with the new Camera Tool will not be retained if I open the file in TVPaint 11 , but hopefully the files created in TVPaint 12 will still open in TVPaint 11.7.3 (?) ... but I'm not sure about that ... maybe someone from the TVPaint team can step in to clarify.

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Is it possible to use 11 after the upgrade to 12?

You can retain your TVPaint 11 on your computer alongside of TVPaint 12. Multiple versions of TVPaint can live together on the same computer , you just can't run them simultaneously on one license.

Thanks!!
About the compatibility and incompatibility of new function & version is understandable,
I just wondered upgraded licence for 12 is usable for 12 and 11 both side, even if it's not simultaneous, because I didn't know about it and experienced the Main number is changing Update like this.
And If it was impossible, I have to delete all X sheet Things from TVP11 file before the update, to open it later or editing.

anyway, Thanks for your reply!

[kelanhordos]

Are you still able to use 11 today D.T. Nethery? I was able to run(switching back and forth) 11 and 12 yesterday, comparing some things. Today I get an error message about my license if I try run 11, so I assumed if you upgrade you can't use an older version, which makes sense. When looking at rehosting my license, there is only a v12 license, so again, makes sense, and hopefully nothing breaks!

[D.T. Nethery]

Are you still able to use 11 today D.T. Nethery? I was able to run(switching back and forth) 11 and 12 yesterday, comparing some things. Today I get an error message about my license if I try run 11, so I assumed if you upgrade you can't use an older version, which makes sense. When looking at rehosting my license, there is only a v12 license, so again, makes sense, and hopefully nothing breaks!

If that is the case then that's a new policy on the part of TVPaint . Previously you could still use an older version installed on your computer (just not use both versions at the same time).

(yes, I've used both TVPaint 11.7.3 and TVPaint 12 on my computer today. I'm using the beta version of TVPaint 12 , so maybe if yours is preventing you from opening TVPaint 11 that is something new in the release version of 12 ?))

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Are you still able to use 11 today D.T. Nethery? I was able to run(switching back and forth) 11 and 12 yesterday, comparing some things. Today I get an error message about my license if I try run 11, so I assumed if you upgrade you can't use an older version, which makes sense. When looking at rehosting my license, there is only a v12 license, so again, makes sense, and hopefully nothing breaks!

If that is the case then that's a new policy on the part of TVPaint .

I see, seems that upgade makes licence only usable for 12.
and beta version of 12 is not associated with license.

I'll wait some comment from developements,
but If it's true, Maybe I need to delay the upgrade, until the update Xsheet.
Hoping for the stabilization of puppet fuction....

....or buy new one...
Thanks, both of you.

[TVPUSER]

I'm working with people who still have 10.5 and it seems that 12 is not compatible with the older versions.. I always had TVPP compression turned off for V11 because I need to have the backwards compatability, but with this newest version there isn't any option to make the saved files compatible anymore. This is a little strange to me because I can open up v12 files in v11 just fine (barring the layer folders).

When you open a v12 save in 10.5, the file loads up but there are no images to be found.

I managed to get it to work by first saving v12 opening in v11, then saving v11 with compression turned off, and then opening in v10

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Seems They are saying It's impossible to use.

[kelanhordos]

Thanks for the confirmation

[paultoonz]

im currently able to use tvpaint 11 and 12 at the same time... if its the policy of tvpaint to disable use of v11 for those that pay to upgrade, then i think it could prove an issue going forwards for a lot of freelancers.

ive opened up files done in earlier versions of tvpaint and i can already say the camera does a wobbly in v12 because they dont use the same tech possibly... either thats a bug that went unchecked, or its a tech issue that wasnt forseen.
we see this happen a lot with harmony based productions where theres known issues between versions and you have to work on the same version as set by the head studio.

just my thoughts anyway.. but if it is a thing now, it would have been good to let people know before upgrading so they can make the choice...

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im currently able to use tvpaint 11 and 12 at the same time... if its the policy of tvpaint to disable use of v11 for those that pay to upgrade, then i think it could prove an issue going forwards for a lot of freelancers.

You mean with upgraded licence?
I guess maybe It'll gonna be loose it's access. like kelanhordos's case above.
or like the official Tvp channel says.

I was able to run(switching back and forth) 11 and 12 yesterday, comparing some things. Today I get an error message about my license if I try run 11, so I assumed if you upgrade you can't use an older version, which makes sense. When looking at rehosting my license, there is only a v12 license

but if it is a thing now, it would have been good to let people know before upgrading so they can make the choice...

I agree with this.
official Tvp channel is saying 'user have to end the work, that's what studios doing before the update' or something like that.
I can understand worked file with previous version, is working weird in new version, but It's crazy that there is cases even can't open it, which used specific function - xsheet.
There was possibility to loose access to almost of my old works, with upgrade.

They should have prepare the way to avoid it .
or warn about this.
or just allow the access to both version, even if it's not in simultaneously.

[TVPUSER]

I think simultaneous access should be allowed. Mabye a policy that that both versions must be tied to one machine or something. After all I did pay for the previous version, I'd like to still access it.

[kelanhordos]

I can understand the policy that since they give a large discount for upgrading, you lose access to v11. On the other hand with all the potential and actual problems mentioned above, it would be nice if through the license manager we were able to go back to v11 as if we were rehosting to another computer if we are running into those issues.

As mentioned above with needing to use old versions of Harmony, if we end up needing to work on something where they won't use v12 for whatever reason, will we be able to downgrade temporarily through support? Kind of a difficult situation I didn't think about before upgrading hah.

[o0Ampy0o]

If I may weigh in on the ability to keep and utilize older versions along with the latest (12).

This is really imperative. No matter how much has been tested no software is flawless when there is a major upgrade. If we lose the ability to use our stable previous version when we upgrade we are left with an unproven product.

TVPaint Development, like any other business, would benefit in terms of revenue from people upgrading. If upgrading means we are giving up stability this deters people from upgrading sooner rather than later.

We should be able to experiment with the latest and retain full utilization of the previous version we would be upgrading from. This encourages upgrading sooner rather than later.

Of course this would be using either only one at a time and not simultaneously.

Also it would be up to the user to navigate and manage working with the differences between versions aside from TVPaint providing a list of issues to look for (i.e. differences in file structures, added features previously non-existent, etc.).

I was ready to buy the upgrade but I will be waiting until I see how things run for people.

[xxxxx]

is there an official statement aside from " 'user have to end the work, that's what studios doing before the update'" ?

The number of bug reports for tvp12 is concerning, and I'm reluctant to upgrade if it means losing access to tvp 11.
it could be understandable if tvp12 was 100% retro-compatible AND bug free, but it seems a lot of early adopters are paying >900€ to beta test the product at this point....
Toon Boom lets you use previous versions after an upgrade. I think it's the right way to address any retro-compatibility issue and alleviate any friction due to bugs from latest releases.

If running both tvp11 and 12 after an upgrade is not currently allowed, please rethink your upgrade policy ASAP, we NEED access to previous versions we have bought.