TVPaint Animation 10.0 Feedback

[Paul Fierlinger]

Sadly it turns out that TVP crashes with the free version of the GoPro codec, but does very well with the paid for one -- a truly discriminating version.

[hilary]

Hi Paul -
Also TVP won't recognize AVIs with that CODEC as I discovered yesterday. Oh well - I guess I will go with the Pro - at least I know it will work now...
Thanks again!
Hilary

[hilary]

Hi Everyone-
Back to the AVI Codec issue - I haven't bought the GoPro Cine Codec yet so I am still using the AVI codec provided in TVP 10 (that is AVI Direct Show - Uncompressed BG245) but it is corrupting my sound track - is anyone else having this problem? The audio (WAV) plays fine in the TVP project but is distorted in the exported AVI...any info is appreciated.
Hilary

[Paul Fierlinger]

Which Audio Codec are you using with BGR24? The best one to use is PCM/Stereo-441000KHz-16 bits:176.40 Kbps

[ematecki]

Hi Everyone-
Back to the AVI Codec issue - I haven't bought the GoPro Cine Codec yet so I am still using the AVI codec provided in TVP 10 (that is AVI Direct Show - Uncompressed BG245) but it is corrupting my sound track - is anyone else having this problem? The audio (WAV) plays fine in the TVP project but is distorted in the exported AVI...any info is appreciated.
Hilary

Well, if you go uncompressed, use the build-in AVI codec, not the direct show one.
Built-in one was specifically designed for uncompressed export to an editing app.
It does it really well, but also, it doesn't anything more.

[Paul Fierlinger]

But Eric, I have exactly the opposite experience. The internal AVI slows done my editing software (clips run in a jerky fashion) but the direct show AVI works perfectly -- as always, even before TVP10. I think I also had some bad experiences when rendering the Internal AVIs from Vegas to another format, such as Mp4, whereas the good old Direct Show is as steady as steady can be.

[papparaffie]

I must concur with Ematecki. I would suggest to use the TVP Avi.

I tested some footage Full-Color Full-Motion HD 1080p 1 minute Directly from Camera, loaded into TVP.
The Uncompressed version is great, but rather big > 1 minute > about 8,69 GB
Yet if the file size is a problem to you try using Motion Jpeg setting > same 1minute (at compression setting 55) > about 161 MB!

This with virtually no visable difference in the final result. (only noticeable when zoomed to 800% and toggled between the two)
Both files run really smooth in Premiere (cs5).
The great advantage > no need for extra codec installing and other interchanging problems (Like with Cineform). Runs on a Mac as well with no extra setup (tested in house) and, as I read in this post on linux as well (not tested by me).
No alpha of course.

Yet when further working on your footage with a compositing program like AE or NUKE I think you should stay uncompressed until the very end.

[idragosani]

I've had no problems at all using the internal AVI format. It imported just fine into kdenlive (Linux NLE) or for uploading to Vimeo.

[Paul Fierlinger]

You are right about the high quality of Motion Jpeg and lower bit size; I all but forgot about that one. Way back when, it used to be my standard and I never even considered anything else. Then something came along (I can't remember what--perhaps QT gave me trouble somewhere) and I switched to the always safest Uncompressed AVI and HD space is of no concern to me.

But Having said that, I'm not going back, even though I tested it just now in Vegas10; 64 bits and to my amazement Vegas took it without a whimper. I have a distrust of everything QT -- some updates are great, others become a mess and now the word is out that they have stopped development for the PC; what we have now is what we will ever have. I'm not a fan of Apple's business practices, period.

All my projects for the past few years seem to be predominantly long-metrage on which I can spend up to 3 or 4 years and I feel better using the never changing, uncompressed AVI. For short projects I totally agree with what you are suggesting.

[the_duajisin]

TVPaint dev team -

Nothing constructive to add, just wanted to congratulate for the group effort which surrounded the production of yet another fantastic release of TVPaint.
I just downloaded a copy of the demo version, and all I can say, is that no software can even match the speed, flexibility, clever UI and design of this piece.
Once again, thank you for your work, please keep it up.

[Elodie]

Thank you very much for those kind and warm words.
Be sure we'll always do the best to improve the software and answer TVPaint users' needs.

[artfx]

It sounds like those of us who work on the Mac are going to have to find all new workflows should the day come when we are forced to use 64bit versions. It seems to me that QT is essential for all video work on the Mac and to get video to iDevices (iPad, iPhone etc.) Everything, at least that I can see works smoothly with Apple's visually lossless intermediate codec and every software talks to all other so well. For some of us, HDD size is a grave concern, as is speed.

Hearing of a single minute of HD being around 9GB uncompressed makes me a bit concerned about be forced to go uncompressed. IT would basically be the end of my current project, which is all in one TVP project and exported uncompressed would not fit on my HDD. In the Apple Intermediate codec, though, it is less than 1 GB, and immediately available in Final Cut, Garage Band (for sound and music) or iMovie etc.