About the "Untitled (1)" project

[Lukas]

When you start TVPaint, you get "Untitled (1)" project automatically.

If you then open an existing project, "Untitled (1)" will still be there in the background. Because often I'm working in a project and "Untitled (1)" is almost ALWAYS open in the background. It probably costs at least some memory, and also, when you Save you're working project and then quit TVPaint it asks what you want with "Untitled (1)".


If you then open an existing project, and you haven't done anything in "Untitled (1)" it should just close project without asking if you want to save or not, just get rid of it.

[Sewie]

+1

[slowtiger]

+1

[Elodie]

Hmm, it's something we already talked about in TVPaint offices. I also agree that Untitled 1 should be withdrawn from the interface when you load a project / create a new one, while Untitled 1 is empty.

But I don't remember what was the end of that discussion and if it was possible or not to do so

[Joost]

+10

[Trumpatrick]

This has been mentioned on the forum before as well.
+1

[BenEcosse]

+1

[Svengali]

The nature of the Untitled(1) project is that it acts as a place holder for the user when starting TVPaint. If the user deletes Untitled(1) (automatically or manually) after loading or making a new project, then, when the user saves and/or closes the new project, another Untitled(1) project is automatically created which has the dimensions and attributes of the last closed, named project, right?

I guess the TVPaint rule is that there must be at least one open project in TVPaint at all times perhaps because all buttons, shortcut keys and program actions need a project in memory to "focus" on?

I find having the default, Untitled(1) project lurking in the background provides me with a "scratch pad" where I can save cutbrush images or frame sequences or other temporary, but ultimately disposable, stuff.

The other thing the Untitled(?) project may provide as a place holder, are dimensions and frame rate info stored by TVPaint (when quitting) for the next time TVPaint "starts up" and a new Untitled Project(1) is automatically created.

Of course all this functionality is based on choices offered the user in Preferences/startup about how TVPaint starts up and how it acts when closing or deleting projects and exiting... logic shaped by the programmers' reasoning about behavior which the user wants, needs or expects.

Sven

[Merwilla]

+1

edit: for no untitled(1)

[Paul Fierlinger]

I find having the default, Untitled(1) project lurking in the background provides me with a "scratch pad" where I can save cutbrush images or frame sequences or other temporary, but ultimately disposable, stuff.

+1 I do this all the time too.

[Lukas]

I find having the default, Untitled(1) project lurking in the background provides me with a "scratch pad" where I can save cutbrush images or frame sequences or other temporary, but ultimately disposable, stuff.

If you want a sketchpad, you could always just create a new project. Having a scratchpad by default (hogging memory and whatnot) isn't really desirable.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I think what Svengali is saying is that there is a reason why TVP needs this placeholder at all times and putting the placeholder is just making good use of a not so desirable situation. I remember the debate on this subject from several years ago and believe that Sven is right; that what he says is how it was explained to us.

[Elodie]

So, we could let the option in the preference panel about how the basic project shall react when creating / opening a project ?

[Svengali]

Here's the problem. We each work with TVPaint according to our own requirements. Sometimes the sudden momentum to change functionality results in existing behavior being modified, summarily, without alternatives or long-range impact being thoughtfully considered. I've learned in the past that TVPaint users have to speak up quickly or things just disappear or change... and then sometimes, in retrospect, changes must be undone.

It always makes me nervous when suggestions for changing TVPaint arrive at the forum in a flurry.

Sven

It only takes one click to close the Untitled(1) project and I suspect that an empty, but available temporary project doesn't hog that much memory. I'm a little confused about the "whatnot" part.

[Joost]

It only takes one click to close the Untitled(1) project and I suspect that an empty, but available temporary project doesn't hog that much memory. I'm a little confused about the "whatnot" part.

It also takes a click to create a new project.
The "untitled 1" project bother me since I start using tvpaint. Imagine a program like word/pages/open office always has an extra empty page or a program like photoshop. That would be really silly. It's a strange choice to keep an empty project next to the project you just opened.

But maybe Elodie is right: It should be an option in the preferences panel. (However, in my opinion a project without untitled 1 should be the standard setting)