Faux-Fixe Random

[furushil]

Hello,

I have a sequence on 2s and want to use the faux-fixe random option, but it is not working properly.
When I set the faux-fixe on "repeat" or "ping-pong" everything works fine but on random the sequence plays on 1s and not random at all. I had this problem many times now and usually just rearranged the frames manually.
What am I doing wrong?

OSX 10.7.5 TVpaint 10.0.18 standard 32bit

I have attached a screenshot of a recreated timeline. In both cases the "random" option is activated and not working properly.

[slowtiger]

Confirmed on OS 10.6.8 TVP 10.0.18

[Fabrice]

probably a calculation rounding bug or something like this preventing to be random.
A real "Random" never exists with computers ...

[furushil]

I'm not quite sure but I think the random option worked in version 10.0.0

[Animark]

FF Random works on Win7/64 - TVPaint 10.0.14 as it should do. Maybe it's one of the newer bugs or just a Mac bug. I like 10.0.14!

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[Fabrice]

creating random is really Operating System specific.
So it might work on PC, but not on Mac, we have to check.

[meslin]

On TVP Pro 11.0.2 on OSX Yosemite 10.10.5, Repeat Images / Faux Fixe - random still doesn't work correctly.

[Elodie]

That's because Apple controls everything and won't let any random...

Just kidding (I think...), ok, we have to check this.

[Animark]

I just want to add why I nearly never use the Random of the Repeat Image/FF. It is working, of course, but it only makes sense, if you want to random an animation timed on 1's. If you have timed on 2's, 3's and so on, the random totally destroys the rhythm of the animation, because it runs on 1's. It could be very cool if we could use the random on moving holds, for example - but it don't works on 2's, 3's and so on. So, there are a very very few situations, where this random makes sense. I love random and I often use it for moving holds - but I have to do it by hand.

Unfortunately, I also have no Idea how this could be solved. Specially, when there is an animation, where the timing is mixed (1's, 2's and 3's together.).

[D.T. Nethery]

Can this be fixed for Mac ? In TVPaint 11.0.3 the Repeat Images - Random is greyed-out , not functional. Did this issue fall off the "to fix" list ?

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Does anyone know if there a way of creating a custom script that will apply the Repeat Images - Random command ? (or has someone already made such a script/custom panel?)

This would be very helpful for a project I'm working on now. When the character's Hold they don't come to a dead stop , but the hold is a five drawing trace-back cycle (to keep the line slightly alive/"breathing") . To keep the five drawing cycle from becoming apparent on a longer hold I need the five drawing traceback cycle to be repeated randomly.

Thanks.

[furushil]

It works here on my computer and is not greyed out but it is still not working properly I'm afraid
The first five frames are 1,2,3,4,5 and TVPaint "randomly" repeats 3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2...

[Thierry]

Did this issue fall off the "to fix" list ?

No, it's still on the to-do list.

Does anyone know if there a way of creating a custom script that will apply the Repeat Images - Random command ? (or has someone already made such a script/custom panel?)

This would be very helpful for a project I'm working on now. When the character's Hold they don't come to a dead stop , but the hold is a five drawing trace-back cycle (to keep the line slightly alive/"breathing") . To keep the five drawing cycle from becoming apparent on a longer hold I need the five drawing traceback cycle to be repeated randomly.

Thanks.

I'll see what I can do.

[D.T. Nethery]

It works here on my computer and is not greyed out but it is still not working properly I'm afraid
The first five frames are 1,2,3,4,5 and TVPaint "randomly" repeats 3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2...

That's interesting that the options for Repeat Image - Repeat , Ping-Pong, Random are not greyed-out on yours running on MAC OS 10.11.5 ... for me running TVPaint 11.0.3 on MAC OS 10.9.5 the options are greyed-out (and the options have been greyed-out on previous version of TVPaint 10.5.7 ) .

I guess it's not a huge problem as far as the "Random" exposure ... if it's just a short section of 5 - to - 12 drawings that need to be cycled with random exposure I rearrange (copy & paste) the frames into a random cycle manually and then copy & paste the random cycle on the Timeline as many times as is needed , but a functional Repeat Images - Random command would be useful.

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[furushil]

This might be silly but what are you on in the timeline when you try this?
It is only greyed out when you are on an instance.

See here:

[D.T. Nethery]

This might be silly but what are you on in the timeline when you try this?
It is only greyed out when you are on an instance.

See here:

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YES ! That's it. Thank you ! I thought I had to have the Instances selected (like in applying an FX Stack or a Transformation) But if I move off the instances as shown in your screen shot the Repeat Images - Repeat - Ping-Pong - Random are no longer greyed-out . I had no clue ... it's really not clear in the User Manual about that little detail ... the User Manual does note it can not be applied the instance head and I missed that : "This is made possible by the Repeat Images Value option available in the timeline's contextual menu. That value is applied on the wished exposure cell (you cannot use that value on the instance's head)." Maybe I'm a dullard , not paying close enough attention , but the meaning was not clear to me in the User Manual, that I had to move off the instances entirely before attempting to apply Repeat Images - Random . Most of the time in TVPaint if I want to apply something it means that the instances must be selected (as in Apply FX Stack or Apply a Transformation , so this seems counter-intuitive to me from the way things are usually done in TVPaint ... ) Well, now I know ... Now the Repeat Images menu is not greyed-out , but sadly, as you mentioned before , the Repeat Images - Random function still does not work.






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