Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite and TVPaint Animation

[schwarzgrau]

I'm really frustrated with every update since snow leopard (to me the last update which made things better), cause every update broke something while no features were added that I considered useful. I thought Windows 10 looks great and could be an alternative, but my experience is the one David suspected: Some things just work, but really basic stuff is often a pain in the ass. Like making the Wifi working etc. So I guess if my current project is finished I will try to make a hackintosh out of my Companion.

[Soom]

Could you please define "that way" ?

Sorry, I didn't mean what you said - it was not intended to underestimate your work in any way - what I meant is if TVPaint will continue to work like this on Apple systems without improvement... I am a big fan of TVPaint but I'm just expressing my feelings about how it works on Macs.

I'm sure this is just stating the obvious, but I wonder if this might be a workaround for us Mac owners: Because it is possible to partition the Mac to run both Mac OS and Windows , would a relatively inexpensive solution (compared to buying a new computer) be to install a Windows partition on a Mac computer to run TVPaint on the Windows side ? Because as I understand it, the problem is with the Mac OS 10.10 , not the Apple hardware , right ? So if TVPaint runs better on Windows , then running it under Windows running on a Mac computer should be ok . A small inconvenience to boot up in Windows to work with TVPaint or Photoshop , then re-boot into Mac land for other things.

I had Windows running on my Mac with Parallels. I had it installed because I had some apps that could not run on Mac. It was working great in general, but frankly the usability of this dual system was quite miserable - I only used Windows when I really had to. I don't want to get into explaining all these issues - it's too long, just to tell you - it's not an optimal solution, you will run into many inconveniences.
I am on Windows 7 at work, on Windows 10 on my mobile tablet and on MacBook Pro at home, which I use for everything I do outside of work hours. There is nothing better than Mac for me, but since I'm forced to work on Windows at work, I have to try to like it - it's not that horrible after all, but I can understand the Mac user frustration. The most horrible for me is Windows 10 - I don't understand who in the world thought of this disastrous user interface! You might consider keeping your Mac, but getting a medium-cheap PC with Windows 7 just for TVPaint...

[Elodie]

what I meant is if TVPaint will continue to work like this on Apple systems without improvement...

Saying "without improvement" on Apple system is extremely rude...

Here is the list of improvements done on 11.0.3, just for Mac OS :
[MacOSX] The cursor should no longer switch to an arrow !
[MacOSX] Applying the FX Stack with multple Keyframers should no longer cause a lag.
[MacOSX] Software stability has been improved.
[MacOSX_32] The checkbox for Stroke Animator in the Preferences panel should now be at the right position.
[MacOSX_64] The lag when drawing should now be fixed !
[MacOSX_64] Using Kanji/Katakana/Hiragana and unusual characters (^ or `) should no longer make the whole interface gray.

That's a lot of stuff for a "without improvement"...

Because as I understand it, the problem is with the Mac OS 10.10 , not the Apple hardware , right ?

"Apple" hardware is exactly the same as Windows or Linux hardware. The hardware is not the expensive part of Apple, it's both design and the OS.
So, purchasing a Mac to install a Windows is like purchasing an expensive set of dishes to eat a burger, IMHO.

[Soom]

Ok, I wasn't trying to be rude - again, I really appreciate all you are doing. All I'm saying, is that TVPaint performance on Mac is not as good compared to Windows, and is not improving from what I and many other Mac users see and experience. It might be a problem of Apple more than TVPaint really - I don't blame you, but slow response and lags are quite obvious on Macs compared to Windows. Even though it's an issue of the OSX, which it probably is, it still doesn't make me happy when I have to go through these lags. I will tell even more - I criticize Apple a lot for all the bugs and all the destruction of great features, basically ruining a perfectly working OSX, despite all the new improvements they make - would that be rude too? I only state a fact, supported by many Mac users - there is a problem of running TVPaint on a Mac, that's all. there is even a bigger problem of running Photoshop for example - but that's Adobe's problem - is it also rude that I complain about Photoshop getting worse on Mac?

[D.T. Nethery]

Because as I understand it, the problem is with the Mac OS 10.10 , not the Apple hardware , right ?

"Apple" hardware is exactly the same as Windows or Linux hardware. The hardware is not the expensive part of Apple, it's both design and the OS.

So, purchasing a Mac to install a Windows is like purchasing an expensive set of dishes to eat a burger, IMHO.

Yes, that's true ,but that is not what I was suggesting.

What I meant was that those of us who already own a Mac (which is capable of running both Mac OS and Windows OS) may want to consider installing a Windows partition to use with TVPaint , and other programs, that now run sluggishly on Mac OS 10.10 .
(as for me, I'll stay with Mac OS 10.9 as long as I can ).

[Fabrice]

Hello guys,

Keep it easy, we will try something different in the code for MacOS this week or next week.
David, Furushil, Soom, Skomdra, Schwarzgrau, please send me a PM with your lock-code ?
Also, for all of you > I need to know if it happens on both 32 and 64 bits, and on fullscreen or not.

[done for Soom]
[done for Furushil]
[done for Elodie]
[done for Skomdra]

[schwarzgrau]

Sorry for the late reply, I'm not at my office this week, so I can't try the 32bit version on OS X, but I've tried the fullscreen-mode and it didn't affected the lag.

[Soom]

I'm also not near my Mac for a couple of days - I will post the results as soon as I get to try it
thanks for your consideration again!

[schwarzgrau]

For me the lag doesn't appear in the 32bit version, but it seems I can't change the anchor point of the transform tool in this version.

[schwarzgrau]

So the lag only appears in the 64bit version and I can't open my current projects in 11.0.2. That means I have to use the 32bit version for the next few month till the next update will be available. Is this correct ?

[Elodie]

Using 10.11.3 on a Retina MacBookPro: still have the lag with the last Beta.

I can't open my current projects in 11.0.2

Yes you can, except if you used CTG layer with 11.0.3.

[schwarzgrau]

And is it possible to redownload the 11.0.2 somewhere?

[Fabrice]

no, even if it's not perfect (we are still working on it), 11.0.3 has less lag problems than 11.0.2, much more bugs fixed, etc.
so keeping the 11.0.2 available would bring only confusion to both users and developpers, regardless the technical aspects required.

[schwarzgrau]

I would prefer to work fullscreen in 64 bits then working with the 32 bit version. And even the lag in 11.0.2 without using fullscreen seems to me less noticeable than the lag in 11.0.3.
I see that you put a lot of effort in the 11.0.3 but I can live without the new features if I can work without lags.

By the way, I noticed some randomly occurring glitches in the 32bit version, while using it the last few days. I attached an example.

[Fabrice]

Please record a video to show us what is wrong and send us a PM. I don't think we have ever experienced your issue.
The big problem is that (maybe) noone does talk about the same in this topic, even the title of the topic doesn't make any sense anymore.

For exemple, Skomdra lag is different that Furushil one (thank Furushil to have created a different topic ! ). And these issues seem different than yours.

I almost suggest to close the topic and open a different topic for each issue, it would be more easy to manage.