Pal 16:9 zu DV, DVCAM Hardware betwean TV Paint and Edius5

[Roselle2]

Please what shall I do. ?

TV PAInt Format it is: 720 x 576 -- 16:9 and Pixel is 1.422 Progressiv, 25 Frames.
export this File as the same Format to first.avi
That File i Imported to Edius 5 (canopus).

This Proj. is a 16:9 with 720 X 576 and Pixelaspect 1.422 in it is 25p over50i and say DV,DVCAM.


Now I import the file to edius5 = first.avi.

Edius Format read it: Pal 4:3 - Pixelaspect 1.0677 and LowerFirst! ???? WAY???

Whot is this ?
Projekt is everithing 16:9.
Imported the File in Edius5 and than Format with Pixelaspect 1,3333.
Than the first.avi File ist 16:9 but no realy.
My Sun is e round sun. But bac format it is No round.
Left and Right Mistake 40 Pixel is a Black balken.

The Mediaplayer play all this .avis from 4:3 not 16:9.??
A Quiktime.mov Format to 16:9 Load in Edius and than it os 4:3 pixel 1.067 No 1.4222?? i dont no whot shell ido. Help? Thanks My English ist not good sorry. Your Roselle2

[Paul Fierlinger]

TV PAInt Format it is: 720 x 576 -- 16:9 and Pixel is 1.422 Progressiv, 25 Frames.

This is almost a square format, not 16:9.
That would have to be 1280 x 720, or 720 x 405. to be 16:9.

[Roselle2]

Hello Dir Paul Firlinger,
Thanks from this Info.
You Mean the Format in TV Paint shell take 1280x720 are 16:9 ? TV paint say it is Benutzerdefiniert (deusch)
When i go to Edius -whot s Format there? I have not HDV Hardware.
I Found DV,DVCAM -Genereic OHCI SD PAL and then take 720x576 25p over 50i 16:9.
There are standing DV, DVCAM.
But so Edius can not read my TV Paint Anims???
The Edius 720x576 50i 16:9 48KHz 2 ch also is a DV,DVCAM but halfframe. i must work in Progressiev.
Question: must i have a Hardware to HDV? Thanks from Your Help Roseelle2
Sorry my english ist not so good.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I don't know anything about Edius but I use Vegas and need no hardware for HDTV. TVP will make any size you need. But I would rather someone who speaks German join this thread since I do not understand clearly what your problem is. I also saw that you have asked the same question on the German forum (I think). Are you not getting the answers you need there, from Slowtiger, for instance?

[slowtiger]

She's using a PC, and I don't know her software either. The developer's website claims that it should be able to work with all formats. Unfortunately one can't trust this as I just have experienced with FinalCut 3.5: although Apple sold it as "HD", it only supported some useless codec like DVCPRO which isn't HD at all. I had to upgrade to v4 (and pay an additional 99€) to be able to edit full HD like 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080. Interesting enogh, the old version gave me an "Hardware error" as well when I tried to use a real HD format.

Oh, and this time I spent 2 hours at my computer shop to first test the software with my own files. I can only recomend this for everyone who wants to buy an HD editing suite.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I think she should go to a video editor's forum with her problem -- this is the kind of stuff they deal with every day.

[slowtiger]

Since this brand of question appears in every animation software forum quite regularly, I hereby propose the installation of a sub-forum named "After TVP: editing software etc".

[Paul Fierlinger]

Since this brand of question appears in every animation software forum quite regularly, I hereby propose the installation of a sub-forum named "After TVP: editing software etc".

But who will be the resident "guru" with most of the answers? Look at the three of us here, at least tow of whom are experinced animators, lost over what a group of videographers could explain right off the bat.

[slowtiger]

what a group of videographers could explain right off the bat

Not really. 95% of them are only working with video on the consumer level and are not really versatile in the field we need answers for.

Yesterday I was browsing books about software in a really big store here, but wasn't satisfied with the content. Books about video tend to be very simplicistic (consumer level again), and/or concentrate on only one camera model / brand of software. Sometimes the information I look for can be found in specific magazines, but only if I'm luck enough to grab the correct issue at the newsstand.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I go for my editing info here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/what-happens-vegas/
and most of the people who answer are professionals and those who are consumers know their stuff whenever they give answers (even consumers need to know everything about HDTV these days). Just as a point of interest, most of the professionals are wedding, or as they call themselves, events videographers and since they are hacks in their aesthetics , they have a high level command of everything technical. But I could see a problem stemming from a question that would start, I am an animator and create my work in TVP and use Edius as my NLE.

Isn't there an Edius forum? BTW, back to the threads origin, it sounds to me as if Edius will not accept HDTV formats. And why is Roselle2 asking about DVCAM hardware? Is she shooting stop motion, or combining live action footage with animation? If that is the case, she would probably do much better if she switched to Vegas, which is truly well equipped for these kind of projects.

[Roselle2]

Hallo Paukl Firlinger hallo Slow Tiger, Peroblem is. I can not speak englisch or understand ist so i can written.

I say Thanks verry well but i dont now wot shell Ido.
I Must Work with a PC Win Xp Spk3.
TVPAInt Ok its 8.6.4.
Than i work everything with Premiere Pro2. Bad.
Now i found Canopus Edius 5.

You say Vegas is good. from whot?
My Videois a DVCAm Format to 16:9 Pal Norm,and Progressiv. no Halfframe.
Nor Edius can not read the TV Paint Clip with 16:9 Format. SO i can not work in 16.9 bat 4:3. that is Old Format.
Sorry bat i Hope You can understand that. I go to Vegas an look ther Thanks say roselle2.
Sorry bat Patric Adam say go in Forum.

[Paul Fierlinger]

Roselle,
I understood you perfectly this time. Vegas Pro 8 is indeed perfect for HDTV and far more intuitive than Premiere -- I understand why you didn't like it. I have just completed a feature film in 1080p (progressive, or single frame) and converted this to 35 mm film. I keep Vegas and TVP open at all times and it is very simple to go back and forth between these two applications with no crashes -- the same goes for sound tracks. Vegas is very intuitive as well. You cannot make a mistake if you buy it and either I, or Klaus, who uses Vegas too can help you if you have questions. There are several other people on this forum who use Vegas with no complaints.

[Roselle2]

Hallo Paul Firlinger, Thank you verry mutch to heare my.
I lock at Vegas and install demo VegasPro8.
Now i load the TVPAint clip. The Format ist Pal 16:9 and Progressiv. The Pixelaspect is there everytime 1.4222??

Vegas say to this Format it ist= Pal 720 x576 and Pixelsapect 1.0926 and Obertes Frame.
Never Programms are sea my Format-work.
Every Programms sean everithing enather Formats - No my?
But when i Lock in Vegas and say Work this Clip as= Format Pal 720 x576 and Say Pixelaspeckt is 1.4568 Breitbild. Then she das it and ma Pictures are Goodframe. But Only on my Monitors from LCD.
On TV- Monitor my picture ist Bäd. My round Sun is a bad High Eg.? So i cant not say that Vegas is a good way.
I Hope that Klaus can Help my? I Go to Germany site. Thanks verry verry well from Your intresting. Roselle2

[Klaus Hoefs]

Hi Roselle having overflown your threads very quickly (I am in Bruxelles until weekend and not having much chance and time for internet connection) and remembering some of your old posts I still have a few questions :
1. why don't you draw/paint in TVP in any larger TRUE 16:9 : Aspect 1.0 : Progressive : (6, 10 or 12.5 or 25 framerate) ? Then exporting with desired framerate (25) from TVP. This is a bit confusing.
2. why Edius - what was the reason to switch from Premiere or another NLE. I worked lately with Premiere CS3, AfterEffects CS3 without any problem if you tweak your startup settings as Custom Settings using the above mentioned formats. For the final mastering for DVD or any other format the NLE should transcode it the right way.

And Paul is right - if you're on the Win-side and have to pay for your app Vegas is a really good choice. Easy to learn and very handy with the pipeline. And also comes with DVD Acrchitect, for final DVD authoring.
(and P.S> I recommend to update to TVP 9)
Next week I can ask a friend who owns a video/media company maybe he knows anything concerning your issue. Just let me know.

german-deutsch:
Hallo Roselle, ich bin z.Z. in Brüssel und konnte mich nicht so eindringlich mit deinem Anliegen beschäftigen, aber hier sind ein paar Fragen:
1. warum arbeitest du nicht schon in TVP in einem echten 16:9, Seitenverhältnis 1.0, Progressiv, (6, 10 or 12.5 or 25 Bildrate) um dann aus TVP heraus zu exportieren (mit 25 fps) und in einem NLE das zu übernehmen.
Die meisten NLE wandeln dann wenn auf DVD oder dergleichen ausgegeben und gebrannt wird, automatisch passend um.
2. Das genau machen auch PremiereCS3 und After EffectsCS3, beim Import allerdings auf Benutzerdefinierten Einstellungen gehen und die TVP Export Einstellungen (vermutlich 1.0 Seitenverh'ltnis, 25 fps, 16:9, uncompressed oder so ähnlich) wählen.
Paul hat recht, Vegas ist vor allem dann, wenn man auf Win arbeitet und selber die Software bezahlen muss, eine sehr gute Wahl. Der Workflow ist einfach und ideal. Und ebenso wie in premiere und AE kann direkt auf DVD gebrannt werden, ausserdem liegt eine DVD Authoring/Software anbei.
und ps ich empfehle auch auf TVP 9 upzudaten, lohnt sich wirklich.

Ich kann nächste Woche jemanden aus einer Video/Medienfirma fragen, ob er was zu deinem Problem weiss. Sag nur kurz, ob das Sinn macht.

[Paul Fierlinger]

That's mighty nice of you to write in both languages, Klaus. Today I've been doing some research on the cost of translations and discovered that the top price is about 20 cents a word (10 to 15 cents the norm). So you can figure the value of your effort.